Recommended Specs for BFV Vehicles and Discussion on Vehicle Meta


#13

Hello @Incarnate, would it be possible to update this very good and useful guide to the latest patch, 5.2.2?


#14

Yes, I will update this for 5.2.2 (and beyond). However I am out of the country until mid-January, so I have minimal time with the vehicle tweaks that occurred since I left in December. When I return I’ll sink some time into BFV to update this post as best as I can. Sorry for the wait.


#15

Vehicle specs updated for 5.2. Thank you @jackusctb and everyone else for their patience. I will update my conclusions and reflections post some time soon (:tm:)


#16

Type 97 disagreement - (LLMMMR)

I was also initially drawn to the Type 5 gun, but the AP shells actually do output significant damage to tanks. Having 56 shells is just so much better than having 28.

With 28 shells, I always feel guilty to fire one at lone infantrymen, knowing that there’s an MG available with plenty of ammo. There’s just a nagging doubt that you really should be rationing your shells, lest you require that dreaded trip to the resupply station even sooner. With 56 shells in your arsenal, those shackles fall off. You can just freely unload your cannon into anything that moves, without needing to reserve some mental capacity to manage your ammo pool.

The smaller profile of the default turret definitely helps limit incoming damage too. Additionally, the higher RoF is useful against both infantry and tanks.

I’ve also found that the Zoom Scope is really just a hindrance if you PTFO. Sure, it helps with sniping enemies at a distance, but that’s not where matches are won. In practice, narrowing your FoV when up close only serves to reduce your combat awareness. There really should be an option to flick between different zoom levels (like in previous titles), but as there isn’t, I avoid that specialization at all costs, even if it forces the Track Repair downgrade on me (like with the Sherman).

Finally, being able to use the Reinforced Turret and Tracks makes you fairly invulnerable to damaged parts, since a tank in defence (during Breakthrough) doesn’t often have its engine exposed to attack anyway.


#17

So I gave LLMMMR a shot the other day, but personally I’d still have to recommend sticking to the RRRRRR path. I really did enjoy the large amount of ammo, as well as the increased survivability of the tank, but I don’t think either of those are really worth losing the 75mm Type 5 cannon. The universal applicability of the 75mm Type 5 means anything you look at will die, and you don’t have to be particularly picky about where you hit them. While the 57mm default cannon with AP rounds can match the damage output, it relies much more on good angles, which isn’t always easy to do, especially against funky targets like LVTs (of which there are tons of if you play Breakthrough). Furthermore in skipping RRXXXX you lose the engine upgrade spec, which is perhaps one of the best upgrades out there for any tank that has the option. Being able to move faster in a game with slow tanks, and being able to reposition in any game quickly, is incredibly valuable.

I don’t think LLMMMR is bad, in fact I think it’s quite good, but you really have to know what targets you’re up against, how many you’re up against, and what map/gamemode you’re on, to make the most of the ammo that’s given to you.


#18

Let’s compare the base DPS of the Type 5 Gun and AP round against a Sherman.

Type 5 Gun: 23 base damage, 18 RPM
AP Round: 18 base damage, 24 RPM

I believe those base damages against a Sherman are correct (I can’t remember whether LVTs have less health or not). The source for the RoF is https://youtu.be/_sSidrcSsxo

With the RRRRRR specialisations, the Improved Loading Mechanism bumps up the RoF by 10%. So let’s say the Type 5 gun shoots at 20 RPM.

By my calculation, that means the Type 5 Gun’s DPS is 6.5% greater than the AP Round. In other words, unless you’re finishing tank engagements with next to no health, you’re giving up a lot of benefits from the specs I referred to for no real reason.

And I agree that the engine upgrade is nice, but since it forces you to use the tunnel-vision scope, it’s automatically disregarded. Also, those default LVTs in the first sector are really just cannon fodder. So long as you engage them one at a time, their complete lack of specialisations means they pose very little threat.


#19

DPS calcs are worthless.

Besides from the fact that these damage numbers are incredibly vague (no angle specified, no part specified), Battlefield tank engagements (especially in BFV) are rarely linear engagements that boiled down to TTK/DPS/FTK times, as there are far too many factors that can influence or change the engagement. Fights between competent tankers should be drawn-out slug-fests where optimal or even near-optimal damage will never be received/achieved. Because of this, it is always best to do the most damage at the first instances of the engagement, so that one may have the largest upper hand possible for the duration of the fight. The firing tank’s positioning, the impact angle of the first shot, and timing of the first shot, should all be considered before taking that first shot - this is what separates a great tanker from a good tanker. However, it is also obviously affected by the basic attributes of the round being fired.

Knowing this, it should be understandable that burst damage is then preferable over sustained damage, and more burst damage is always better than less. Not only is it more helpful in the first instances of an engagement, but it also requires less repeated consistency on behalf of the user’s shot placement, while also reducing the amount of total exposure to make those constant shots, freeing up a driver to do other things like re-position, break LoS, or repair.

So, even if we were to take your numbers at face value (which I am going to have to assume are based on 90° front hits), I would gladly take a seemingly meager 6.5% DPS increase over everything else you listed, because if I’ve played everything else correctly, I will actually only need 3-4 shots at most to kill my Sherman target at an actually competent angle/location. In those 3-4 shots the increased damage will matter immediately, whereas the RPM loss won’t become more apparent until later in the fight (if somehow it hasn’t already ended, but even in that case either tank can just break the engagement off completely at any time).

Again, I’ve never said that alternatives to RRRRRR are bad, they’re just inferior for a tanker that can manage themselves and their resources well. Add onto that the almost complete unpredictability of BFV’s vehicle engagements, and I’ll take the 75mm Type 5 every time.

Note:
I did not previously comment on the optical zoom because I feel like that’s a personal preference thing, and in honesty it’s actually something I personally like, even when playing on objectives. Even then having the extra zoom to make hitting critical spots on tanks easier is very nice.


#21

Added 7.0 recommendations. New Reflection on the Vehicle Meta and another additional section coming as I have time.


#22

Since this thread is not getting more updates, I would like to post my corrections.

tank meta:

Conquest: Light tank is the best in most cases, except panzerstorm. You excel at killing infantry, you can avoid tank infested place. Speed is important for point capture.

Breakthrough defense: heavy tanks. resupply is less of an issue there, and if you keep enemy tank away infantry would rarely lose the point.

In general, heavy tank is for anti tank, but light tank is best vs infantry (fast reload + low shell drop)

Germany:

Panzer 38t: best anti infantry, best on conquest, load 37mm + AP

• Special case: if unopposed by tanks in breakthrough, run flare, auto cannon, s mine. 

Flare will spot clustered infantry helping the push. auto cannon switch with MG let you shoot uninterrupted by heat vs swarms of infantry close by. If you see cluster of infantry, you can sneak behind them and do s-mine ambush.

Although you can argue cannon is so much better at longer range, you are better pushing closer to point in breakthrough. In addition you get more ammo with autocannon.

Alternatively you can try spotting scope, smoke, and s-mine over flare in breakthrough. Use smoke to cover your advance, and drive into enemy with a s-mine blast. Risky, but can really pay off if works.

Panzer 4: stubby is best anti infantry in building, best on breakthrough offense. Flare for infantry support, case round for extra ammo.

Tiger: load AP set up. Best for defense in breakthrough and anti tank. Lack of ammo hurts HEAT set up, unless you are defensing near supply depot like in Provence breakthrough.

Flank panzer: 37mm + flaming onion. Flaming onion’s large blast radius let you snipe infantry, because you certainly cannot get too close to point. Against plane is a bit lame, make sure you burst fire in 3 round, until plane is close. It overheat too quickly.

Puma: 50mm gun, but increase rof over spotting scope. Rof important for anti-infantry and win duel vs Sherman.

UK:

Staghound: possibly best tank in game. Load AP, supply box, increase rof, little john, you can snipe infantry all day.

• Rocket can be picked over AP for breakthrough, great for flanking and take out clustered infantry. It is also great for hit and run vs heavy tanks, allow you to flank. It also has surprisingly good air burst AA function, which very few knows. However I prefer AP because the wheeled platform turn and accelerate too slowly, therefore not suitable for rushing close quarter. That and half the time you will get stuck on a rock when driving recklessly.

Valentine: great generalist tank, with AP it is excellent in anti tank despite being a medium tank, decent anti infantry, lots of ammo. Pick AP over snake launcher, its dps vs tank is as good as heavy!

Churchill: good defense tank, hold its own vs Tiger at closer range. I would pick APC over HESH route. APC offer better long range accuracy, higher dps, and can use as adhoc anti-infantry round when out of ammo. While HESH does have bigger splash, its inaccuracy and low rate of fire actually make it worse vs infantry. In addition higher rate of fire spec should be taken to win duel vs other heavy tanks.

Churchill GC: the anti-Tiger one trick. Best AP in game. Don’t use HESH.

Val AA: 40mm + case round, best AA in game by far, acceptable anti infantry.

US:

M8: AP all day, maybe extra ammo for offense, as you are far from supply.

• Alternatively pick quicker repair, it can save life time to time
• Extra ammo though give more AP, greatly enhance anti-vehicle, and you will need it vs Tigers.

Sherman: HE smoke path. It has extra blast vs infantry. It also cover team nicely in breakthrough.

• Alternatively 76mm HEAT path is all rounder for anti-vehicle, but LVT AP is better suited. 
• Flamethrower has a niche on iwo jima breakthrough cave section.

LVT: AP + smoke dispenser set up. Seriously, that smoke can both save life and cover infantry, last long and wide.

• AA variant is viable in fighter infested and wide open map like Iwo Jima, but against good pilot you may as well give up.

Japan:

Chi-ha: Engine, AP + extra ammo, smoke dispenser. AP’s range advantage negate damage difference of 75mm option. Smaller profile make you harder to hide behind hill on defense. Faster reload and ridiculous amount of ammo let you defeat infantry with ease.

• 75mm is decent vs armor, but far worse vs infantry and not as good vs tank from far away. You carry few ammo.

Kami: engine, AP, spotting scope, trade turret rotation with smoke dispenser. On paper probably the best Japanese tank, but it suffer from bad gun depression, and pacific maps are full of hills. It is also troublesome when infantry get close, but you are super fast, and speed is important in conquest!

• Technically AA MG also work as well as LVT, but Japan usually is swarmed with stock LVT, make it a poor choice.

Best tank of each faction:

Germany:

  1. Panzer 38t: fast, flexible, deadly vs infantry. Dodge rocket frequently

  2. Tiger: Best anti vehicle option. If you are not driving 38t you should be driving Tiger.

UK:

  1. Churchill crocodile: The best tank in the game by a long shot. It has very flat shooting, high splash, extremely high damage, and decent reload on top of that. It will eat Tiger for lunch and have plenty of ammo to terrorize anything across the map. Did I also mention it also the toughest tank?

  2. Staghound: Counter part to panzer 38t. It sacrifice the agility and perk for higher top speed and better firepower. It is picked for the same reason as 38t, in addition to shredding infantry across the map and being surprisingly good at shoot down planes.

  3. Valentine: small profile, lots of ammo, hits hard, the best medium tank in game. However compared to Staghound, only anti armor niche shines. If you really want to kill that Tiger tank and neither Valentine and Staghound will do, pick Churchill GC.

Japan:

  1. Chi ha: with AP load out it strikes a good balance between anti infantry and anti tank, while being reasonably quick. The smaller turret let it take advantage of hilly terrain in the Pacific. It is oddly fast for a medium tank, combined with the fact Ka-mi has poor gun depression makes me choose it over Kami.

  2. Kami: with AP loadout it is a close second. Better vs infantry, much faster, run on watter. Best in water heavy sections like Wake Island.

US:

  1. M8: picked for similar reason as other light tank. This one can bring more ammo letting you wreck havok on infantry, and pack enough AP to kill 2 tanks!

  2. LVT: while not an exceptional tank, it is picked because Sherman just plain suck. Its strength is similar to other light tanks, but is slower and can go on water. Unlike Kami it is much slower, but with better gun depression.

  3. Sherman: After the HEAT nerf in recent patch, the TTK barely makes a difference vs AP load outs. Besides the niche loadouts, it should be avoided due to large hit profile, slow traveling shell vs Japan, and mediocre vs infantry.


#23

I feel saying “corrections” is a bit harsh, especially since a lot of what you’ve written misses the original intent of what I’ve written - a general guide for overall vehicle viability which is widely applicable to a variety of situations, whether that situation be opposing assets or various maps. Of course certain vehicles or vehicle loadouts are going to be better in certain situations compared to others, but it is not enjoyable to constantly respec your vehicles or force-respawn for a more situationally-applicable vehicle. That is what this guide attempts to avoid with its vehicle recommendations, and why I never really dive into map/gamemode-specific loadouts.

Nonetheless I’ll point out some things that stood out to me while reading through.

Light tanks are good on CQ, but medium tanks can definitely be good as well thanks to decent speed and durability. Panzerstorm is very viable as a light tank though, as its one of few maps that actually provides the space light tanks need to sneak behind enemy lines and cap flags or achieve rear hits on enemy armor. Taking head-on engagements with a light tank, like on any map, is typically futile. Panzerstorm is also one of few maps where the heavy tanks are actually decent, thanks to its more linear layout and long, open sightlines, even on CQ.

Would typically agree with heavy tanks being better on BT defense, but again its really dependent on team support and resupply location. 9/10 times I’d recommend losing a bit of armor to keep a greater ability to reposition defensively with the more independent medium tank.

Like I mentioned in my reply to Aldweenz above, the autocannon is an inferior pick in most situations, and this post was made before the buff that gave the 37mm and the 2pdr cannon 1HK splash ranges. Now that post is even more true, as giving up lethal splash damage for underwhelming sustained anti-infy fire (which you already get with the coax gun) is a straight downgrade. Taking autocannon should also necessitate taking AP rounds so the P38t isn’t completely worthless against opposing armor. Furthermore and contrary to popular community belief, light tanks running S-Mines and autocannon to kill infy is a meme strategy which is typically thwarted by a single explosive breaking your treads and removing the only asset light tanks actually have - mobility. Better off just shelling infy from a relevant distance.

Also as I mentioned in my reply to Aldweenz above, the BFV community needs to stop perpetuating the anti-infy SPAAG meme, despite still doing so a year later. Better anti-air exists the the Fliegerfaust which doesn’t waste a team armor slot, and while the flak guns on the SPAAGs are a bit more lethal versus infantry, its still doesn’t compare to the more lethal burst damage option in tank shells.

It’s certainly good, but I’d be hard pressed to call it the best. A large profile with exposed treads (wheels) makes it very vulnerable without proper positioning. While slower, the 6pdr Valentine can frag infantry just as hard while still holing its own versus all opposing armor and eating a few hits along the way.

AP is not required to kill armor if you aim for good angles versus heavier armor with the 6pdr, but it certainly does help. Snake launchers are great for clearing infantry on points, but the pick here can really go either way.

If you’re going APC, then you’re not using the 95mm cannon which is really the Churchill’s only niche. APC and the default 75mm cannon aren’t bad, but you’ll typically get better performance using the 6pdr Valentine’s with AP rounds thanks to its increased maneuverability.

This is not a speccable/default spawn vehicle so its not in the write-up and should not be comapred. Certainly good though.

A 0.3m increase in inner blast radius is hardly a reason to use the smoke rounds, especially when it obscures future shots. Even after the 76mm HEAT nerf, its still very effective versus armor, and due to the unpredictable nature of opposing armor (as written in my previous vehicle meta analysis), the 76mm is a must pick to be as effective as possible versus potential armor threats.

The statement on LVT + AP rounds being better for anti-armor has me extremely confused though. It has neither the speed, damage, or profile to actually be good in armor engagements, and can only safely engage opposing light tanks. Not saying it can’t work through sheer brute-force, but I would take the 76mm Sherman versus an AP rounded LVT any day.

I’ll defer to my earlier posts on this toptic, here and here. Ammo and drag of the 75mm Type 5 are definite downsides, but its universal lethality is too good to pass up.

Again this guide is meant to be a general catch-all. Listing 2-4 options for each faction kinda defeats that. I will always come back to recommending the medium tanks because, as a whole, they fair the best in a variety of situations. If a new player had to pick up any vehicle to learn how to use and invest company coin into, I will always point them towards tanks like the Sherman, Valentine, Type 97, or Panzer IV. These tanks have specs to increase their damage to compete with heavy tanks, while decent armor to survive several hits. They work well on a majority of maps and do so without requiring vast knowledge of the map or how to play armor engagements. Most importantly, this will prevent them from being completely dead weight when they spawn a vehicle asset in.


#24

Trust me, I know my stuff. I am willing to share my compiled list of datamined tank stats. I even tried to get into the material modifier by hard tests, nobody dared to go that far.

On light tank:

Panzerstorm is not bad for light tank, it is just not as much a no brainer anymore. Medium tank sort of depends on map size. PzIV sucks on big maps. Valentine could work better in smaller tank infested maps. 90% of times light tank is best options, and when light tank dont work, there is something needed medium tanks cant do either.

On Pz 38t. Here is where you are wrong. Autocannon by itself is indeed inferior to cannon. It is the whole package of flare, S-mine, combined that improves vs infantry. Flare is a pretty OP ability, which is strong enough on Panzer IV, but combined with mobility it is super strong vs infantry. It provides strong boost to allies nearby, and defeats the only strength of infantry vs tanks: stealth. In addition information is extremely strong perks, it helps you avoid traps, position in optimal position to kill, reduce time to acquire target (biggest bottleneck of killing). S-mine kind of sucks, but on the 38t you know exactly where infantry cluster with flare. Then you flank, ram into them and fire S mine. Extremely strong on breakthrough. I had so many 90 kill 0 death games on Arras breakthrough, you are welcome to squad up with me to find out. Cannon and flare could work too, but you miss out 2 upgrades. Again, I said it works when there is no armor to oppose you. In general AP cannon is best. You seemed to miss that completely despite I said it first sentence.

Also pz38t AP is garbage, cant pen medium tanks in the front. Never take it.

You somehow think track damage matters. No, only engine damage matters. With flare and mobility, if you get sneaked from behind for engine damage, your death is deserved.

Flak panzer: Oh boy, misreading my post and focusing a tiny subpoint; a theme to go with rest of your post.

Indeed Flakpanzer is not the best tank, it is situational at best. If everyone bring a flieger, we would never need it. The art of when and how to use flak panzer deserves a post on its own, but it has its niche uses. My post is just about if you were to use it, what would be the best set up. Same as you, you didnt skip it despite it sucks right?

I had succesful games killing 10+ planes on maps like panzerstorm. But in the end I still lose often. Why? Like you said, team lack armor, front line cant push. Flaming onion matigates that. A tank is better for killing infantry for sure. I never denied that. But if you were to pick AA due to some niche reason, you must also kill infantry otherwise you lose despite clearing the sky.

Staghound: this thing is a sniper. The wheel is extremely awkward to turn, accelerates very slowly. Best to position far from enemy and shoot with your no fall off HE shell. It has 30ROF + more from perks. In comparision, Valentine is 20ROF, and has reduced splash range, and has bigger shell drop. You and I both agree that cannon kill infantry better than autocannon itself, and Staghound is the ultimate example.

Valentine: It is a generalist tank. Besides using 2 pounder like a tougher staghound, there is nothing special about it. It is good, but it dont kill infantry as well as light (6 pndr has reduced splash), lose to Tiger (assume they are not stupid).

I personally is not a fan of the snake. If you are a pro ballistician who can lob it to kill Tiger 50 meters away, then I concede. Otherwise a perk that only kills what is in front point blank is worthless.

As for AP or not, AP damage vs tank is night and day, and I have hard stats to back it.

HE: 100 blast + 120 impact = 204 true tank damage

AP: 34 blast (invalid vs tank) + 225 impact = 270 true tank damage.

That is 1/3 higher. But that only tells half the story. AP has 2 other advantages.

  1. When critting, AP deals exponentially more damage because blast damage do not get boost from crit. The damage different can be twice as high. This is the reason I picked AP on Chi ha as well.

  2. Extra ammo. HE vs tank is very ammo consuming meaning trips to depot and away from front. this is even the case even with extra ammo perk. AP stack on top of it gain bonus from extra ammo as well. I find the ammo bonus resulted more kills than from snake, which is reflected on my stats in kill/min.

Churchill: OK this one I actually concede a bit. I missed the material modifier of the howitzer. It is great for blasting tanks as long as range is not too much. Howitzer can work comboed with HEAT as anti-vehicle specialist in city. Otherwise the RoF is too shit vs infantry. Longer range tiger killer = Churchill GC, short range goes to Churchill 105mm.

Churchill GC: nope, this one is spawnable. Used to be awful, now pretty good. I love to take it in Narvik breakthrough. Near howitzer blast but without the shitty range low RoF of most howitzer. Also best anti-tank vehicle besides call ins. My go to for tank killing when not riding staghound.

Sherman: First, let me start with I use LVT most of the times, I use Sherman as a specialist of anti infantry in breakthrough. I reject the idea of must speccing every tank into generalist. You play the best generalist tank 90% of time. It just happen to be light tank is my pick, so I spec them to be generalist. When situation changes, I swap to my specialist build. Sherman just happen to be so shit I avoid it unless I use the specialist build.

Once again, you are plain wrong here. You only checked innerblast_radius but not the blast curve. Fall off starts after 40% away from inner radius. At 40% there is abrupt drop off, it is not smooth. The true kill range of 76mm is 2.2m, 75mm is 2.6m, our HE smoke shell is 2.78m. By picking anti tank gun option, you gimp yourself of 0.4m room for error when aiming, which matters greatly at distance due to shell drop. HE smoke however have lower drag like AP so it is more precise over range too. But wait, HE smoke has 120 blast damage as opposed to 100 standard. that means between 40-60% away from inner blast, you deal 96 damage. a quick MG through the wall will kill. In other words within 3.52m you deal at least 96 damage. HE smoke is an excellent anti-infantry option in addition to utility.

Also inner blast go through wall. Sturmtiger with low innerblast actually hardly kill enemy behind wall, but Pz4’s stubby and HE smoke do it easily.

Combined with excellent capability of smoking in breakthrough, you can silence a indestructable pacific bunker with 1 smoke.

The reason why I pick LVT is because it is much better vs infantry HE smoke Sherman not withstanding. Pacifics tend to be large maps, and lack of heavy meant you can always crit from front. AP here outsnipe Japanese tank hiding from distance. You are welcome to duel me. You will find at 200m+ AP hits so much easier that high dps of HE gun dont matter. Numbers here:

HEAT sherman: 318 true damage, 20 ROF, 6360 damage rating

LVT AP: 168 true damage, 30 ROF, 5040 damage rating.
However when criting medium tanks, it receives 75% boost in damage. HEAT receive less due to partly explosive. So LVT in practice deal more damage, AND land hits much more reliably.

One situation Sherman HEAT is better than LVT is vs Tiger who you cannot crit in front, and maps are less open. But you Can’t use LVT anyway so… And there is awesome M8 Greyhound that is borderline OP that competes with it.

Chi-ha: My god, universal lethality my butt. Only thing it got vs infantry is decent shell speed of 600. God awful RoF of 18 (slightly below 20 even with upgrade), garbage blast of 1.8m lethal range (1m inner, 3m max), extremely limited ammo. Literally the worst tank gun vs infantry. When it used to 2 shot Sherman it was a no brainer, nowadays it is mediocre at best.

stats:

Chiha 75mm: 100 blast + 220 impact 18 RoF, 5832 damage rating

Chiha 57mm AP: 34 blast (null vs tank) + 170 impact 22 RoF, 4488 damage rating.

True it is worse vs tank on paper, but I chose it from several considerations.

  1. Extra ammo as explained before.
  2. anti-infantry is not garbage anymore
  3. Improved crit damage actually means out damage HE gun in practice. All tank can be crit from the front from lack of heavy in Pacifics. 70% of your shot should crit.
  4. When playing Japan you are mostly defensive in breakthrough, or skirmish in a huge conquest map. AP greatly increase hit chance 200m+
  5. Underappreciated, but default turret has low profile making hull down position very strong, and you can evade more shots.

Besides the specific, I would love to debate with you on general use of tanks. That is a major cause of our disagreement rather than stats, as most of your statistical knowledge are on point.


#25

will this be updated one last time please? im new and this helps but isnt up to date
for example BF109 G-6 has different specs now (Rockets are no baseline)

would really appreciate it. thank you


#26

As as far as I know nothing significant has changed*, and the current write-ups for both 109s are accurate - the G2’s accounting for no WFRs and the G6’s fawning over how great WFRs + everything else is. Maybe you opened up the pre 7.0 spoiler section?

*Thanks to @Oscar it’s come to my attention that the Field Repair spec now restores some HP without needing to take part damage. Whether this is for every vehicle I don’t know, but I have tested it on a few and it seems to consistently work in this manner now. Must have been changed in the Dec 2020 patch, and intentionally or not it’s a nice buff. I’ve made a few tweaks but I don’t see any worthwhile changes coming from this besides a semi-viable Blenheim Mk IF path of LMRR.


#27

While I’m posting I’ll also respond to this as well.

Because you’ve missed this in my initial reply:

With the intent of this guide in mind, the default cannon is the logical choice.

I want to know the game you’re playing where you don’t lose mobility when a track gets disabled. Must be fun.

:ok_hand:
All these things said about how you have to be able to farm infy if you pick a Flakpanzer, and then also stating that a flieger can do its job…so why not take an actual tank then? Glad you were able to kill 10+ planes on Panzerstorm once though, I’m sure they were quality pilots then who would have done large amounts of damage to your team otherwise.

Spawning a CGC on Breakthrough Narvik offense? You’ve gotta be messing with me now.

So because I either can’t aim or because I am so far removed from the action that I need to account for drag, I should be begging for .4m of extra boom on top of al already generous 2.2m, and then provide smoke cover for the enemies I’m apparently going to miss anyways. No thanks. The specs recommend kill infy just fine while hitting armor harder.

I believe there is much more that goes into explosive damage calculations through a wall than just innerblast radius. I will update this when I get a solid answer from someone more qualified than I.
EDIT: See below quotes from a dev -

[There is not] any sort of special inner blast interaction with the wall that I’m aware of…

Blast damage does an occlusion raycast to check if things are blocking the blast damage. The occlusion checks are settings that can be tuned on every blast (so in theory they could all be different) and can tuned to generally ignore everything or to make a thin fence post block the blast damage from a 1000lb bomb. Its kind like your setting “how far or if blast damage can reach around something”

World objects like walls don’t generally take tons of damage from blast and rely more on direct impact to destory[sic]…the Pz4 is actually just destroying the wall with the direct damage of the shell then there is nothing to block the splash…the Sturmtiger [is] supper[sic] blast damage oriented and world objects like walls don’t generally take tons of damage from blast and rely more on direct impact to destory[sic].

TLDR: not innerblast that determines how effective an explosion is through a wall, not to say that a bigger lethal innerblast isn’t more helpful of course

Again, no thanks. If I wanted to duel a tank at 200m+ I’d respawn myself irl for trying to be so irrelevant. Tank engagements past 125-150m are almost always futile endeavors which only end in a kill when one of the two tankers is too dumb to take cover. Any tanker with a few neurons firing should just avoid the engagement, or if they took a surprise first hit, take cover and repair any damage off with no consequence, then go about their day.

Universal lethality versus armor. If you had looked to those posts you would have understood the quantification of that claim. Yes its inner blast sucks. But if you can’t hit an infy within 1m /~3.3ft or slightly more and then follow up with a coax round or two, FPS games might not be the genre to play. Despite the nerf the 75mm Type5 cannon is still powerful, although it did make other alternatives slightly more viable.

With lackluster mobility or lackluster armor plus parts damage, tanks in BFV cannot be the center of attention. They should provide direct support to objectives without stepping on them. This means play in close-moderate proximity to the point, sitting slightly away to keep clear lines of sight, watching spawns, and clearing the point of enemy infy that pop up on it. Not on the point. Not 200m+ away. Say ~25m from the edge of the capzone, moving towards the edge of the capzone and maybe inside when needed, but backing away quickly to regain that spacing. Otherwise welcome back to the respawn screen.


#28

i double checked and i dont have the 7.0 section opened


(left is ingame, right is from guide)

Sorry for being annoying


#29

Not annoying at all - good catch! I don’t even remember the game prompting me to re-spec the vehicle after this change (as it has done in the past when spec tree adjustments are made by DICE), so good catch.

Guide updated, I agree with the specs you have selected there.


#30

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I do not expect to convince you, so I will just write this for others reading this post.

  1. track mobility reduction is relatively minor while engine damage you can hardly move. If track damage makes you 25% slower, engine damage is at least 75% slower. Consider the severity of both.

  2. Churchil GC has highest dps vs tanks besides churchill croc, and has very good blast while have decent reload compared to awful howitzers. It is relatively effective vs unit in building and excellent tank killer. A niche but decent vehicle. Do not expect it to be your main tank though.

This person has barely used Churchill GC, let alone after the buff. Take this person’s advice with a grain of salt.

  1. See for yourself, the radius affect kill area exponentially. Try engage with staghound then a sherman and see the difference. Again, if you are a aim god like this guy who can remove infantry in 1 shot then sure. If you find default gun to greatly help your consistency then go with mine. Your call.

  2. The idea of tank on tank engagement beyond 150m is futile is absurd. Many vital corridors for fire support require you to aim at distance, for example panzerstorm, Iwo jima, aerodome. AP is important there. This is one example I will totally disagree rather than say pick your style.

  3. I will politely say agree to disagree on this one. While both are viable I strongly prefer AP + more shell + bigger blast over more effect anti-armor damage at close range. Your style matters. I feel this guide somewhat underestimate the alternative, but then again it could be his play style.

Lastly, there are points he did not address so I will say them again. My playstyle generally favors anti-infantry more. Not that I ignore armor. I find with proper aim on armor weakness, I am more frequently find myself needing to deal with squad of top tier clan infantry players than other tank aces. I will of course switch set up immediately in the off chance I am facing a equally skill tank player (like once in over 100 games or so).

Snake launcher is pretty terrible on flat ground, ignore them. Without practicing lobbing them with slope it will never be worth it. Once you get good with it it can be effective, though AP is better off in most cases.

Light tanks are in general the best general tank to pick. This is reflected in both our stats.

Howitzers are god awful vs infantry due to poor reload for only moderately more blast. With exception of stubby panzer 4 stay away from it.


#31

This was very helpful.

I needed direction on planes and this article was great on directing me on that. Buuuuut I have some questions

Personally, I’m not sure on the staghoud. Its my favorite british tank and I enjoy playing with it but I feel like rockets for flanking is better because when you use ap rounds it becomes more of a fair 1v1 which is never good for a light tank. so why use it?

Sherman
I personally will always choose the flamethrower/howitzer for europe and most of the time on the pacific. when you are facing a limited number of japanese tanks that will probably be handled by infantry, why would you take the 76? for europe I think I take it because I like burning houses. :wink: I understand why the 76 is insane in europe but why in pacific?

Last thing, where can you get that panzer 4 skin?


#32

Glad my guide was of use. It’s been a while since I’ve last played BFV - not that there’s been any game updates but the pub meta may have changed - so I’ll give the best responses I am able.

Logic behind AP rounds comes down to better ammo economy and a better fit for the most optimal vehicle playstyle. Ideally like you said, you would never want to take the fair 1v1 in a light tank. However, like with the RP-3s, you’ll still want to get a favorable angle with the AP rounds. While the burst damage with the RP-3s is much more impressive, you only get 4 rockets. AP rounds will do similar damage, albeit slightly more slowly, but you can engage at any, much safer distance and still absolutely destroy a target before they can escape (again, provided you have the correct angle, ideally rear). Even with the velocity/drag buff RP-3s got, they’re still not that usable outside of close range. And if you miss a shot, you’ve just lost 1/4 of your damage. Look to AP rounds which have room for error plus ammo to spare. Generally light tanks have high velocity AP rounds for easy armor hits and generous blast on their HE rounds, both with great RoFs, making them great for mid-range engagements on both armor and infy respectively from alternate angles. Hit the enemy and run if needed from a smart distance. Also direct-hitting infy with AP rounds is fun and a great way to conserve HE rounds for the hidden or grouped opponent.

Flamethrowers are always fun (in games), and I would never tell someone to never ever run one because cool factor is too much to ignore. However I would say that being a flamethrower tank puts you closer to the fighting than you might want to be in a game that heavily punishes aggressive, close-in vehicle play with lacking mobility and part damage, which are usually fatal unless played near perfectly at said range - much harder then sitting slightly off a flag and cutting off spawns.

Additionally if you’ve read any of my responses above or can glean from the initial post, I prefer to be as well-suited as I can versus opposing armor because you don’t know what the enemy will spawn. If you’re not playing with friends, you won’t know if anyone else on your team will be able to deal with it. So if you want to win, that onus might fall on you. The flamethrower spec path leaves the Sherman a bit weak in the anti-armor department. Granted, like you stated, the Pacific maps tend to be a bit US-armor sided so you can certainly get away with being lighter gunned, but I really like the peace of mind that comes with the knowledge of destroying enemy armor with as few shots as possible, so I can go back to deleting infantry asap. That’s why I usually lean towards recommending specs heavy into armor damage, and then mopping up infy with the default coax LMG. The LMG will allow you to kill infy at ranges where the fire fizzles out, and usually its effectiveness (provided one can aim) is as-good (if not better) than the flamethrower. Also the heavier main guns tend to have generous infy splash as well. But again, cool factor points to the flamethrower.

Tldr though, I would say do what you want and use the flamethrower with the caveat of knowing that it may not be the most effective tool, but it looks damn cool. If you want to win using it and not worry too much about the welfare of the team, playing with friends that will help deal with enemy armor is a nice way to balance out your toasty anti-infy fun times.

If I recall correctly, it was a ToW Season 1 reward, though I could be mistaken.


#33

Thanks for this comment, I will give the ap rounds on the stag hound a try.

for the sherman though I think I’ll stick to the flamethrower. when Im in a tank sitting a few yards outside of an objective or sniping it I don’t feel like im helping the team. I know that enemy tanks will effortlessly destroy me in all situations exept for close range,(id still loose but it would be a better fight) but the flamethrower is better for me because when Im sitting outside the objective I feel like im being a useless stationary weapon. my playstyle which is charging the objective which more often than not rushing with the flamethrower. RRRRRR path is probably the best but I might stick to the more chaotic loadout to charge the objectives. I like to lead or flagship the infy to the objective even if I get gunned down in the process, because I will do significant damage to the enemy on the objective. I am convinced that an all around player on the pacific will normaly find it better to use the 76, The howitzer/flame is more suited for close range objective charging. even if my tank, more often than not, doesn’t make it cuz some brain dead with a lunge mine gets to close. sorry I didn’t include my playstyle when I wrote my initial comment. I understand why the 76 is better in most situations. thanks for your response.